1and1 Conclusion - They Win I Lose
I was reviewing my website stats and saw a few hits from the dslforum this evening so I checked it out and was surprised to see that someone had referenced my post about the crooked 1and1 so I figured I should post a follow-up to my previous posts here and here.
I did get my domains transferred away from them but not without a fight. So after waiting over 10 days to get my domains back I review the ICANN policies send off my complaints to them and then send another email to the wonder staff at 1and1.
Ive emailed them demanding my authorization codes and to have my domains unlocked and domain privacy turned off so i can transfer away, and I promptly receive an email from John Keefer at 1and1 advising me the domains have been unlocked and here are your auth info codes. Oh but Mr John what about domain privacy? How can I transfer my domains if privacy is turned on. Im told I still have to give them a credit card in order to turn domain privacy off even though I am transferring my domains to another registrar that day and I do not owe 1and1 any money. They are holding the domains hostage for future payment 365 days away.
You can forward this to your useless management department.
I have filed 3 complaints with the BBB, FTC and ICANN regarding the hijacking of my domain names by 1and1 .
I wish to transfer my domains to another registrar. I have paid 1and1 everything I owe for my domains plus an additional fee to your collection agency. You have unlocked my domains and provided me with AUTH INFO CODES but refuse to turn off domain privacy unless I give you another credit card. I cant transfer the domains if privacy is still on. You are preventing my from running my business and moving my domains
As a registrar you are not allowed to deny me transfer of my domains. I suggest that if you are not in a position to turn off privacy you forward this email and information to someone who can. Taken from ICANN, http://icann.com/transfers/policy-12jul04.htm
Upon denying a transfer request for any of the following reasons, the Registrar of Record must provide the Registered Name Holder and the potential Gaining Registrar with the reason for denial. The Registrar of Record may deny a transfer request only in the following specific instances:
- Evidence of fraud
- UDRP action
- Court order by a court of competent jurisdiction
- Reasonable dispute over the identity of the Registered Name Holder or Administrative Contact
- No payment for previous registration period (including credit card charge-backs) if the domain name is past its expiration date or for previous or current registration periods if the domain name has not yet expired. In all such cases, however, the domain name must be put into “Registrar Hold” status by the Registrar of Record prior to the denial of transfer.
- Express written objection to the transfer from the Transfer Contact. (e.g. - email, fax, paper document or other processes by which the Transfer Contact has expressly and voluntarily objected through opt-in means)
- A domain name was already in “lock status” provided that the Registrar provides a readily accessible and reasonable means for the Registered Name Holder to remove the lock status.
- A domain name is in the first 60 days of an initial registration period.
- A domain name is within 60 days (or a lesser period to be determined) after being transferred (apart from being transferred back to the original Registrar in cases where both Registrars so agree and/or where a decision in the dispute resolution process so directs).
Instances when the requested change of Registrar may not be denied include, but are not limited to:
- Nonpayment for a pending or future registration period
- No response from the Registered Name Holder or Administrative Contact.
- Domain name in Registrar Lock Status, unless the Registered Name Holder is provided with the reasonable opportunity and ability to unlock the domain name prior to the Transfer Request.
- Domain name registration period time constraints, other than during the first 60 days of initial registration or during the first 60 days after a registrar transfer.
- General payment defaults between Registrar and business partners / affiliates in cases where the Registered Name Holder for the domain in question has paid for the registration.
You cannot deny the transfer of my domains to another registrar. My domains are paid up to date. I owe 1and1 $0 . I expect an answer by the end of business day today.
I don’t hear anything from them for two days so I finally cave in and log on to the control panel add my credit card and voila, 20 mins later my account is unlocked. Then and only then do I receive a response to my email….
Thank you for contacting us.
I am not sure why you are having problems but your account is not locked
and you have full access to your domains. You can make the changes
yourself inside your control panel, although all domains are unlocked,
public, and ready for transfer.If you have any further questions please do not hesitate to contact us.
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Sincerely,
Shireen
Transfers Department
1&1 Internet
What a fucking joke! I warn you all to stay away from 1and1 and I pray I don’t end up with charges on the card next year even though I have no services with them.
Down with 1and1
He got his shit settled - Congratulations! you are one of the few








1and1 don’t like it when you record calls and put them online. In fact I’ve found that NO company likes it’s failings recorded and shared with the world. This has proven to be a very successful method of complaining in my experience.
A site I created about 1and1, including calls.
I have had nothing but problems with 1and1. I’m hoping that there will be a class action law suit against these thiefs!
They have ripped-off so many people……..and it is time that they were stopped.
I had 200 domain names with them………all paid up to date. I wanted to transfer them ……. of course they wouldn’t do it……they locked my account……..all 200 domain names. Telling me that I needed to pay 365 days ahead…….which resulted in almost $2,000 !!……..They actually turned it over to a collection agency. They need to be stopped.
Even if you transfer domains out successfully, BE WARNED that they claim to have an “error” in their accounting and can charge for annual renewal of domains transferred away!!!
Just today I received yet another invoice from 1and1, including renewal for a domain that I transferred away from them… over a year ago!
That is at least the 6th time they have charged me for domains over which they have no legal control. They should be slapped good and hard by the authorities as this has got to be illegal.
It should be a warning that when their phone is answered by a recording that tells you if you have gotten a notice from NCO, a collection agency, to press a certain number. If they are a reputable business, why do they have to send so many accounts to a collection agency?
Be very careful before you choose a hosting company. I wish to God I had checked out 1and1’s reputation before I signed.
If you refuse to pay for domains you did not want, they lock your account but keep sending you renewal messages. How can a person decline a renewal without access to their account?
Now because I won’t pay for domains I don’t want renewed, they have sicced a collection company, NCO, on me.
? Three of my pages are missing, 13, 15, and 18. How can I make correction to my domains that you do not even have listed?
I completely agree… 1and1 is HORRIBLE. My downtime for all my sites are ridiculous. My sites go down every other week (my sites are down as we speak lol), and their customer service and lack of email responses are very frustrating. 2 thumbs down for 1and1, I would not recommend them to anyone.
Also Investigative journalist, Kelli Jack, has a suit pending against them. Kelli states: “1and1 should be shut down.”
And finally, the Pennsylvania Better Business Bureau has them listed as “Unsatisfactory” Read comments on the BBB why. Read some customer comments on Red Flag.
It’s a shame to see how long these issues with 1and1 Internet domain services have been going on now. My issue started when their system didn’t properly delete a number of my domains after I attempted to delete them well in advance, and they still attempted to bill me for them. Fortunately for me, my credit card information needed updating, so I was able to correct the amounts through their Customer Support department - so I thought. After obtaining clear documentation of which domains would be renewed and which would be canceled, I promptly updated my credit card info so they could bill me, but apparently 1and1’s Billing Department wasn’t aware of my communication with Customer Support, so they sent me an uncorrected invoice with a much larger amount than I actually owed - and in the meantime, charged my credit card for only a small portion of what I actually owed…? Then, I received a letter from a collection agency, and discovered my account and remaining domains had been locked! The amount requested by the collection agency doesn’t sync at all with the other two. 1and1 refuses to send an updated invoice and tells me that the collection agency is unable to provide a detailed breakout. In other words, they can’t even tell me what they’re billing me for…! In addition to having collection agency charges I never should have had to pay in the first place, they can’t provide any information guaranteeing that they won’t erroneously request additional payment and continue to keep my account locked, even if I were to pay the amount requested by the collection agency. I am hoping 1and1 chooses to resolve this issue voluntarily very soon. I’ve been very good about saving all the documentation so far, and it’s blatantly clear that they’ve contradicted themselves. It makes completely no sense to me, unless this is some scam to “steal” some of my remaining domains after they send me a few more emails claiming they can do nothing else to resolve the matter, and claiming that I’ve been nonresponsive despite my numerous emails to 3 different departments trying to get an accurate updated invoice… I have difficulty thinking an organization could be *that* disorganized, and I’m beginning to wonder if something fraudulent is going on here…And unfortunately for them, any employees there who knowingly continue to participate without blowing the whistle will likely be implicated.